The voting is complete for the last roster spots on the All-Star team. Roy Oswalt was selected for the National League team and Scott Posednik for the American League team.
Oswalt is the correct choice. He is the 3d best pitcher in the NL, and his absence from the All-Star team was the biggest snub of the year. Hoffman finished second. Why? Because Padres fans vote like crazy on the Internet. Must be Silicon Valley-envy. Why was Hoffman even one of the five choices? He's been a dog.
The vote rounded out with Brandon Webb (5th best starter in the NL), Billy Wagner (2nd best closer in the NL) and Brett Myers (7th best starter in the NL). Everyone but Hoffman would have been a valid choice. The vote should have been Oswalt, Webb, Myers, Wagner and Hoffman (0 votes).
Posednik is not the correct choice. He narrowly beat Jeter. I respect Jeter, but I don't like him. Nevertheless, you can't pick Posednik over Jeter. Or Matsui. Or Crawford. Maybe you can take him over Torii Hunter, but I wouldn't. The vote should have been Jeter/Matsui (toss-up), Crawford, Hunter, Posednik.
Wednesday, July 06, 2005
Useless Records (Congratulations Mr. Biggio)
On June 29, Craig Biggio set the all-time major league record for being hit by a pitch, passing Don Baylor. Are we that starved for baseball news? Here's what Biggio said about the record.
I remember Baylor getting hit a lot, and it was because he crowded the plate. He would not give in to the pitcher. Biggio isn't nearly as close to the plate. But Biggio will not move. He will not move even as the ball is coming at him. He sticks out that elbow pad and takes the hit. The Hall of Fame has asked for his arm pad. More than any other player, he violates the baseball rule requiring the batter to at least attempt to avoid the pitch.
Oddly, for the HBP that set the record, Biggio got tagged pretty good.
Remember, Biggio has more to "get done." Hughie Jennings is only 19 ouches away. If you can't get enough of Biggio's pursuit of the record, I've got just the place for you: PlunkBiggio.
I almost played for him [Baylor] one year. It was nice to be able to get it done here [in Colorado].
Get it done? Biggio has more career HBP than career home runs.
I remember Baylor getting hit a lot, and it was because he crowded the plate. He would not give in to the pitcher. Biggio isn't nearly as close to the plate. But Biggio will not move. He will not move even as the ball is coming at him. He sticks out that elbow pad and takes the hit. The Hall of Fame has asked for his arm pad. More than any other player, he violates the baseball rule requiring the batter to at least attempt to avoid the pitch.
Oddly, for the HBP that set the record, Biggio got tagged pretty good.
Remember, Biggio has more to "get done." Hughie Jennings is only 19 ouches away. If you can't get enough of Biggio's pursuit of the record, I've got just the place for you: PlunkBiggio.
Frank Thomas
Going into action tonight, Frank Thomas has 17 hits...and 10 home runs. That's a home run every 1.70 times he gets a hit.
I researched which players might have home run rates that high as a proportion of hits. I set a modest minimum of 10 hits to qualify. So far, Thomas has the lead. Here's the top 10 list without Thomas:
An interesting list for a couple of reasons. First, McGwire has three of the 10 spots, but the 1997 season is his National League total only. It would not be on the list if blended with his season at Oakland (though it would still be a high ratio). Second, Bonds' record-breaking season makes the list. Third, Babe Ruth is on the list, but it isn't a real season for Ruth. And fourth, there's a surprising player on this list: pitcher Don Drysdale.
I didn't like the way the list came out, because of Harshman, Medina, Dick Williams and Staton. So I changed the criteria to a minimum of 10 home runs. Here's how that turned out.
*Again, the 1997 McGwire season is National League only.
Frank Thomas would be #1 on this list, but he's got a long ways to go to have the most impressive H/HR ratio.
I researched which players might have home run rates that high as a proportion of hits. I set a modest minimum of 10 hits to qualify. So far, Thomas has the lead. Here's the top 10 list without Thomas:
| Year | Player | Hits | HR | Ratio |
| 1997 | McGwire* | 44 | 24 | 1.84 |
| 2001 | McGwire | 56 | 29 | 1.93 |
| 1956 | Harshman | 12 | 6 | 2.00 |
| 2001 | Bonds | 156 | 73 | 2.14 |
| 1958 | Drysdale! | 15 | 7 | 2.14 |
| 1935 | Ruth | 13 | 6 | 2.17 |
| 1988 | Medina | 13 | 6 | 2.17 |
| 1998 | McGwire | 152 | 70 | 2.17 |
| 1964 | D.Williams | 11 | 5 | 2.20 |
| 1993 | Staton | 11 | 5 | 2.20 |
An interesting list for a couple of reasons. First, McGwire has three of the 10 spots, but the 1997 season is his National League total only. It would not be on the list if blended with his season at Oakland (though it would still be a high ratio). Second, Bonds' record-breaking season makes the list. Third, Babe Ruth is on the list, but it isn't a real season for Ruth. And fourth, there's a surprising player on this list: pitcher Don Drysdale.
I didn't like the way the list came out, because of Harshman, Medina, Dick Williams and Staton. So I changed the criteria to a minimum of 10 home runs. Here's how that turned out.
| Year | Player | Hits | HR | Ratio |
| 1997 | McGwire* | 44 | 24 | 1.84 |
| 2001 | McGwire | 56 | 29 | 1.93 |
| 2001 | Bonds | 156 | 73 | 2.14 |
| 1998 | McGwire | 152 | 70 | 2.17 |
| 1995 | McGwire | 87 | 39 | 2.23 |
| 1999 | McGwire | 145 | 65 | 2.23 |
| 1955 | Ed Robinson | 36 | 16 | 2.25 |
| 2000 | McGwire | 72 | 32 | 2.25 |
| 1984 | Gamble | 23 | 10 | 2.30 |
| 1988 | Phelps | 24 | 10 | 2.40 |
*Again, the 1997 McGwire season is National League only.
Frank Thomas would be #1 on this list, but he's got a long ways to go to have the most impressive H/HR ratio.
Sunday, July 03, 2005
2004 All Star Mistakes
Fan Picks
First, let's start with the fan picks. In the AL, you cannot really quarrel with any of the picks. They are all genuine all-stars, and none are obviously reserves. I'm impressed.
In the NL, there are three starters who shouldn't even be at the all-star game: Piazza, Rolen and Beltran. They ought to be Schneider, Ensberg and Giles, none of whom even made the squad.
Reserves
Next, the reserves. In the AL, I would not have selected I-Rod, but I understand why he's there. I don't understand how Hillenbrand made the team. I also think Sweeney is a fairly substantial mistake. He seems to have been selected to get someone from KC, but he's only the 3d best player on that team. Anderson and Suzuki are good players with decent seasons...but there were better choices (including Emil Brown from KC, Sizemore from Clev., Rowand from Chi., etc.)
Biggest AL snubs: Joe Mauer and Brandon Inge.
In the NL, there's only one terrible pick: Cesar Izturis. A good case can be made for everyone else on the squad. I'm not crazy about choosing Castillo, though. Counsell, Biggio, Giles and Utley all would have been better picks.
Biggest NL snubs: Nick Johnson (on DL), Morgan Ensberg, Brian Giles, Craig Counsell and Cliff Floyd.
Pitchers
In the AL, my only quarrel is with Rogers. From a performance perspective, he belongs. As a representative of MLB, he doesn't even belong in a regular season game. Give that spot to Matt Clement.
Baez is a terrible pick as a reliever. Presumably he is picked as Tampa Bay's representative. Would have been much better to take Julio Lugo instead of Izturis, and open this relief spot up for someone else. I like the Duchscherer pick, because he's the closest thing to a middle reliever, although he's now become Oakland's closer.
Biggest AL snubs: Dustin Hermanson
In the NL, all the starters are tremendous. But where the heck are Roy Oswalt and Brandon Webb, the 3rd and 5th best starters in the NL?
As for the relievers, Isringhausen is an awful pick, and there's no excuse for this one. Should have been Billy Wagner, Chris Hammond or Todd Jones.
Biggest NL snubs: Roy Oswalt and Brandon Webb
I'll be voting for Matsui for the final AL roster spot, and Oswalt for the final NL roster spot (though it is a close call over Webb). Brian Giles and Nick Johnson have more Win Shares than any other player who didn't make the squad (in either league), and neither is on the "final 5" ballot.
First, let's start with the fan picks. In the AL, you cannot really quarrel with any of the picks. They are all genuine all-stars, and none are obviously reserves. I'm impressed.
In the NL, there are three starters who shouldn't even be at the all-star game: Piazza, Rolen and Beltran. They ought to be Schneider, Ensberg and Giles, none of whom even made the squad.
Reserves
Next, the reserves. In the AL, I would not have selected I-Rod, but I understand why he's there. I don't understand how Hillenbrand made the team. I also think Sweeney is a fairly substantial mistake. He seems to have been selected to get someone from KC, but he's only the 3d best player on that team. Anderson and Suzuki are good players with decent seasons...but there were better choices (including Emil Brown from KC, Sizemore from Clev., Rowand from Chi., etc.)
Biggest AL snubs: Joe Mauer and Brandon Inge.
In the NL, there's only one terrible pick: Cesar Izturis. A good case can be made for everyone else on the squad. I'm not crazy about choosing Castillo, though. Counsell, Biggio, Giles and Utley all would have been better picks.
Biggest NL snubs: Nick Johnson (on DL), Morgan Ensberg, Brian Giles, Craig Counsell and Cliff Floyd.
Pitchers
In the AL, my only quarrel is with Rogers. From a performance perspective, he belongs. As a representative of MLB, he doesn't even belong in a regular season game. Give that spot to Matt Clement.
Baez is a terrible pick as a reliever. Presumably he is picked as Tampa Bay's representative. Would have been much better to take Julio Lugo instead of Izturis, and open this relief spot up for someone else. I like the Duchscherer pick, because he's the closest thing to a middle reliever, although he's now become Oakland's closer.
Biggest AL snubs: Dustin Hermanson
In the NL, all the starters are tremendous. But where the heck are Roy Oswalt and Brandon Webb, the 3rd and 5th best starters in the NL?
As for the relievers, Isringhausen is an awful pick, and there's no excuse for this one. Should have been Billy Wagner, Chris Hammond or Todd Jones.
Biggest NL snubs: Roy Oswalt and Brandon Webb
I'll be voting for Matsui for the final AL roster spot, and Oswalt for the final NL roster spot (though it is a close call over Webb). Brian Giles and Nick Johnson have more Win Shares than any other player who didn't make the squad (in either league), and neither is on the "final 5" ballot.
Friday, July 01, 2005
Rogers Suspension
This suspension, I understand. It will be interesting to see if Rogers bothers to appeal.
To many, 20 games sounds better than it is. That's only 4 games for a starter. Looking at it that way, Rogers' suspension is only twice as long as Sheffield's.
Can we quantify it? Sheffield has 15.5 Win Shares so far this season. He has played in 74 games this season, so he earns about .21 Win Shares per game. A 2 game suspension will cost the Yankees .42 Win Shares, or about 1/7 of a win.
Rogers has about 12.3 Win Shares so far this season. He has pitched in 15 games. So he earns about .82 WS per start. He'll miss 4 starts, so that will cost the Rangers 3.28 Win Shares, or just a little more than a full win.
By that measure, Rogers' suspension is 8 times that of Sheffield. Still seems light to me. I would not have been outraged if Kenny Rogers had received the Ron Artest treatment.
NBCSports.com has a poll. The question for the poll was "Was the suspension too harsh?". Forty-four percent (44%) think it is. Huh?
To many, 20 games sounds better than it is. That's only 4 games for a starter. Looking at it that way, Rogers' suspension is only twice as long as Sheffield's.
Can we quantify it? Sheffield has 15.5 Win Shares so far this season. He has played in 74 games this season, so he earns about .21 Win Shares per game. A 2 game suspension will cost the Yankees .42 Win Shares, or about 1/7 of a win.
Rogers has about 12.3 Win Shares so far this season. He has pitched in 15 games. So he earns about .82 WS per start. He'll miss 4 starts, so that will cost the Rangers 3.28 Win Shares, or just a little more than a full win.
By that measure, Rogers' suspension is 8 times that of Sheffield. Still seems light to me. I would not have been outraged if Kenny Rogers had received the Ron Artest treatment.
NBCSports.com has a poll. The question for the poll was "Was the suspension too harsh?". Forty-four percent (44%) think it is. Huh?
Sheffield Suspension
I cannot understand this suspension. First, Sheffield was safe at first, and it did not take an instant replay to figure that out. He looked safe at full speed.
Second, C.B. Bucknor tossed Sheffield from the game simply because Sheffield threw his helmet on the ground as he crossed the bag and realized he had been called out. He didn't throw the helmet at Bucknor, and he did not confront Bucknor (or really even yell at him)...not until he had already been tossed from the game.
He's not allowed to be frustrated about a call? Even though Bucknor did not see him safe, surely he knew the call was close and he might get an argument. Did he toss Sheffield to preempt an argument?
And third, a suspension? Even if Sheffield had been out (which he wasn't), and even if he was justifiably tossed by Bucknor (which he wasn't), when did he cross the line? He gave Bucknor an earful, for about 15 seconds, before being pulled away by Joe Torre. That's not much of an argument.
I watched the game live on t.v., and I was surprised at the out call and absolutely shocked when Sheffield got thrown out. The time between the out call and the toss could not have been more than 1 second. I expected major league baseball to quietly reprimand Bucknor for the short fuse. Instead, Sheffield gets a suspension. Everyone appeals, of course, and Sheffield has followed suit. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a rare instance in which the player wins the appeal.
You wanna suspend someone? Suspend Bucknor for bush league umpiring. Instead, of course, Bucknor will be at the All-Star game. So will Sheffield.
Second, C.B. Bucknor tossed Sheffield from the game simply because Sheffield threw his helmet on the ground as he crossed the bag and realized he had been called out. He didn't throw the helmet at Bucknor, and he did not confront Bucknor (or really even yell at him)...not until he had already been tossed from the game.
He's not allowed to be frustrated about a call? Even though Bucknor did not see him safe, surely he knew the call was close and he might get an argument. Did he toss Sheffield to preempt an argument?
And third, a suspension? Even if Sheffield had been out (which he wasn't), and even if he was justifiably tossed by Bucknor (which he wasn't), when did he cross the line? He gave Bucknor an earful, for about 15 seconds, before being pulled away by Joe Torre. That's not much of an argument.
I watched the game live on t.v., and I was surprised at the out call and absolutely shocked when Sheffield got thrown out. The time between the out call and the toss could not have been more than 1 second. I expected major league baseball to quietly reprimand Bucknor for the short fuse. Instead, Sheffield gets a suspension. Everyone appeals, of course, and Sheffield has followed suit. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a rare instance in which the player wins the appeal.
You wanna suspend someone? Suspend Bucknor for bush league umpiring. Instead, of course, Bucknor will be at the All-Star game. So will Sheffield.
Wednesday, June 29, 2005
Kenny Rogers T.V. Etiquette
How in the world did Kenny Rogers ever pitch in New York? Arlington, Texas is not exactly sporting the biggest media spotlight. And this is Rogers' 12th year with the Rangers. He's got to know most of these people by now.
You've got a couple of local t.v. cameras shooting him walking onto the field to warm up. No one interviews him. No one berates him. He's just in a bad mood, so he decides to push around a little videographer and break his $50,000 camera.
Apparently Rogers has been miffed with the media all season, because they accused him of not being willing to pitch with the Rangers unless some contract modifications were made. The horror!
I am not particularly sympathetic to media intrusion or sensationalism, but neither of those things were present here. Kenny, you are a major league baseball player. You're gonna be on t.v. To me this is no better than Milton Bradley attacking fans.
Win Shares does not take into account whether a player is a jerk. In light of Rogers' behavior today, I feel justified in revoking his All-Star spot and handing it to the next best starter judged by Win Shares. So congratulations to his teammate Chris Young. Chris, I wish you had a better role model.
You've got a couple of local t.v. cameras shooting him walking onto the field to warm up. No one interviews him. No one berates him. He's just in a bad mood, so he decides to push around a little videographer and break his $50,000 camera.
Apparently Rogers has been miffed with the media all season, because they accused him of not being willing to pitch with the Rangers unless some contract modifications were made. The horror!
I am not particularly sympathetic to media intrusion or sensationalism, but neither of those things were present here. Kenny, you are a major league baseball player. You're gonna be on t.v. To me this is no better than Milton Bradley attacking fans.
Win Shares does not take into account whether a player is a jerk. In light of Rogers' behavior today, I feel justified in revoking his All-Star spot and handing it to the next best starter judged by Win Shares. So congratulations to his teammate Chris Young. Chris, I wish you had a better role model.
Tuesday, June 28, 2005
Win Shares All-Star Pitchers
Here's who the pitchers on the All-Star team ought to be, according to WS as calculated by The Hardball Times. For this purpose, I've used 7 starters and 3 relievers.
AL
Buehrle, Chi.
Halladay, Tor.
Garland, Chi.
Rogers, Tex.
Colon, L.A.
Clement, Bos.
Santana, Min.
P.Walker, Tor.
Shields, L.A.
Politte, Cle.
Quite a non-traditional list of starters, other than former Cy Young winners Halladay and Santana. And how 'bout those relievers. Not a closer among them. Of course, those three relievers will never be invited to the game. If you'd like all three to be closers, then WS suggests B.J. Ryan (Balt.), Dustin Hermanson (Chi.) and Mariano Rivera (N.Y.)
NL
Clemens, Hou.
Willis, Fla.
Oswalt, Hou.
B.Myers, Phi.
P.Martinez, N.Y.
B.Webb, Ari.
Smoltz, Atl.
Cordero, Was.
Wagner, Phi.
T.Jones, Fla.
These starters are less surprising. Interestingly, all three relievers are closers...and so is Smoltz, for that matter. :)
AL
Buehrle, Chi.
Halladay, Tor.
Garland, Chi.
Rogers, Tex.
Colon, L.A.
Clement, Bos.
Santana, Min.
P.Walker, Tor.
Shields, L.A.
Politte, Cle.
Quite a non-traditional list of starters, other than former Cy Young winners Halladay and Santana. And how 'bout those relievers. Not a closer among them. Of course, those three relievers will never be invited to the game. If you'd like all three to be closers, then WS suggests B.J. Ryan (Balt.), Dustin Hermanson (Chi.) and Mariano Rivera (N.Y.)
NL
Clemens, Hou.
Willis, Fla.
Oswalt, Hou.
B.Myers, Phi.
P.Martinez, N.Y.
B.Webb, Ari.
Smoltz, Atl.
Cordero, Was.
Wagner, Phi.
T.Jones, Fla.
These starters are less surprising. Interestingly, all three relievers are closers...and so is Smoltz, for that matter. :)
Win Shares All-Star Reserves
Assuming the manager selects 10 pitchers, that leaves 12 reserve spots in the AL and 13 spots in the NL. Without gerrymandering to fit positions, here's who WS would have as the reserves, according to the calcs at The Hardball Times.
AL
3b....Inge, Det.
ss....Lugo, T.B.
3b....Mora, Balt.
of....Guerrero, L.A.
of....Rowand, Chi.
of....Kotsay, Oak.
1b....Konerko, Chi.
1b....Erstad, L.A. (or of....Emil Brown, see below)
of....Sizemore, Cle.
of....Matsui, N.Y. (or 2b...Chone Figgins, see below)
1b....Sexson, Sea.
of....Crawford, T.B. (or c....Jason Varitek, see below)
That would be one or two too many outfielders, and one too many first baseman. You'd need another 2b and a backup catcher. If you dropped Sexson and Crawford in favor of a 2b and catcher, you'd add Figgins (L.A.) and Varitek (Bos.). But you can't drop Sexson, because he has to be the Seattle representative, so you've got to drop Matsui.
You've still got to find a Kansas City player. Emil Brown is their best. If you keep Sexson, then you are overloaded at 1b, so you could drop Erstad and add Brown.
Lots of young guys on this team. And when's the last time Tampa Bay had a couple of legit All-Stars?
NL
1b....Pujols, Stl.
1b....Johnson, Was.
of....Wilkerson, Was.
of....Dunn, Cin.
2b....Counsell, Ari.
of....Edmonds, Stl.
of....C.Lee, Mil.
1b....Delgado, Fla. (or c....Barrett, see below)
of....B.Clark, Mil.
of....Bay, Pit.
of....Floyd, N.Y. (or ss....Barmes, see below)
of....Drew, L.A. (or of....M.Alou, see below)
3b....Ensberg, Hou.
Here there are probably two too many outfielders and one too many 1b, with no backup catcher or shortstop, and without an extra infielder. If you dropped Drew, Floyd and Delgado (all tough cuts), you could add Michael Barrett (Chi.) as the catcher, Felipe Lopez (Cin.) at shortstop and Aramis Ramirez (Chi.) as an additional infielder.
But you need someone from San Francisco, and someone from Colorado. Clint Barmes is Colorado's best player, so you could use him instead of Lopez. Moises Alou is San Francisco's best player. Better to not add Ramirez at 3b and instead replace J.D. Drew with Alou.
AL
3b....Inge, Det.
ss....Lugo, T.B.
3b....Mora, Balt.
of....Guerrero, L.A.
of....Rowand, Chi.
of....Kotsay, Oak.
1b....Konerko, Chi.
1b....Erstad, L.A. (or of....Emil Brown, see below)
of....Sizemore, Cle.
of....Matsui, N.Y. (or 2b...Chone Figgins, see below)
1b....Sexson, Sea.
of....Crawford, T.B. (or c....Jason Varitek, see below)
That would be one or two too many outfielders, and one too many first baseman. You'd need another 2b and a backup catcher. If you dropped Sexson and Crawford in favor of a 2b and catcher, you'd add Figgins (L.A.) and Varitek (Bos.). But you can't drop Sexson, because he has to be the Seattle representative, so you've got to drop Matsui.
You've still got to find a Kansas City player. Emil Brown is their best. If you keep Sexson, then you are overloaded at 1b, so you could drop Erstad and add Brown.
Lots of young guys on this team. And when's the last time Tampa Bay had a couple of legit All-Stars?
NL
1b....Pujols, Stl.
1b....Johnson, Was.
of....Wilkerson, Was.
of....Dunn, Cin.
2b....Counsell, Ari.
of....Edmonds, Stl.
of....C.Lee, Mil.
1b....Delgado, Fla. (or c....Barrett, see below)
of....B.Clark, Mil.
of....Bay, Pit.
of....Floyd, N.Y. (or ss....Barmes, see below)
of....Drew, L.A. (or of....M.Alou, see below)
3b....Ensberg, Hou.
Here there are probably two too many outfielders and one too many 1b, with no backup catcher or shortstop, and without an extra infielder. If you dropped Drew, Floyd and Delgado (all tough cuts), you could add Michael Barrett (Chi.) as the catcher, Felipe Lopez (Cin.) at shortstop and Aramis Ramirez (Chi.) as an additional infielder.
But you need someone from San Francisco, and someone from Colorado. Clint Barmes is Colorado's best player, so you could use him instead of Lopez. Moises Alou is San Francisco's best player. Better to not add Ramirez at 3b and instead replace J.D. Drew with Alou.
Win Shares All-Star Starters
Using the Win Shares calculated by the folks at The Hardball Times, here are the players who should be leading the All-Star voting:
AL
c....Mauer, Min. (not among top 5 vote getters)
1b....Teixeira, Tex. (currently #1)
2b....B.Roberts, Balt. (currently #1)
3b....A.Rodriguez, N.Y. (currently #1)
ss....Tejada, Balt. (currently #1)
of....Sheffield, N.Y. (currently #5)
of....Damon, Bos. (currently #4)
of....M.Ramirez, Bos. (currently #1)
dh....D.Ortiz, Bos. (currently #1)
The AL voting is about as good as you are going to get, if MLB is going to let the fans vote. The only big miss is at catcher, but the fans are voting for Varitek, who is no slouch.
I've been voting for Posada, Teixeira, Roberts, A-Rod, Michael Young, Ramirez, Sheffield, Guerrero and Ortiz.
NL
c...Schneider, Was. (not among top 5 vote getters)
1b....D.Lee, Chi. (currently #2)
2b....Kent, L.A. (currently #1)
3b....D.Wright, N.Y. (currently #5)
ss....Eckstein, Stl. (currently #2)
of....Abreu, Phi. (currently #1)
of....B.Giles, S.D. (not among top 15 vote getters)
of....L.Gonzalez, Ari. (not among top 15 vote getters)
The fans on the NL side are not doing as good a job. But Brian Schneider? Who knew? And how about Luis Gonzalez, left for dead in Arizona but still plugging away. Quietly having a great career. Interesting that Padres fans have voted in sufficient numbers to get Ramon Hernandez in the 4th slot at catcher (and he was having a good year before he got hurt), but can't get Brian Giles in the top 15.
I've been voting for Michael Barrett, D.Lee, Kent, Ensberg, Barmes, Abreu, Carlos Lee and Cliff Floyd.
AL
c....Mauer, Min. (not among top 5 vote getters)
1b....Teixeira, Tex. (currently #1)
2b....B.Roberts, Balt. (currently #1)
3b....A.Rodriguez, N.Y. (currently #1)
ss....Tejada, Balt. (currently #1)
of....Sheffield, N.Y. (currently #5)
of....Damon, Bos. (currently #4)
of....M.Ramirez, Bos. (currently #1)
dh....D.Ortiz, Bos. (currently #1)
The AL voting is about as good as you are going to get, if MLB is going to let the fans vote. The only big miss is at catcher, but the fans are voting for Varitek, who is no slouch.
I've been voting for Posada, Teixeira, Roberts, A-Rod, Michael Young, Ramirez, Sheffield, Guerrero and Ortiz.
NL
c...Schneider, Was. (not among top 5 vote getters)
1b....D.Lee, Chi. (currently #2)
2b....Kent, L.A. (currently #1)
3b....D.Wright, N.Y. (currently #5)
ss....Eckstein, Stl. (currently #2)
of....Abreu, Phi. (currently #1)
of....B.Giles, S.D. (not among top 15 vote getters)
of....L.Gonzalez, Ari. (not among top 15 vote getters)
The fans on the NL side are not doing as good a job. But Brian Schneider? Who knew? And how about Luis Gonzalez, left for dead in Arizona but still plugging away. Quietly having a great career. Interesting that Padres fans have voted in sufficient numbers to get Ramon Hernandez in the 4th slot at catcher (and he was having a good year before he got hurt), but can't get Brian Giles in the top 15.
I've been voting for Michael Barrett, D.Lee, Kent, Ensberg, Barmes, Abreu, Carlos Lee and Cliff Floyd.
Monday, June 27, 2005
St. Louis Cardinals Trades (Best)
Here are the best trades according to Win Shares, in order of worst to best (from the Cards' perspective). A quick note on one trade that cannot yet be completely evaluated: 2002- Rolen and Nickle (Cards) for Polanco, Timlin and Smith (Phils). Currently the Cards lead this by about 15 Win Shares (you probably thought it would be bigger, but Polanco is darn good, though now traded to Detroit). Going forward, it is Rolen vs. Ugueth Urbina and Ramon Martinez.
The winning trades, from worst to best:
The winning trades, from worst to best:
Cards get: | Ozzie Smith, Mura, Olmsted |
Cards lost: | Templeton, Lezcano, Luis DeLeon |
Other Team: | San Diego |
Year: | 1981 |
Net WS: | 17.5 (6 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 3 |
#Other team’s players | 13 |
Comments: | I would have guessed the Cards would win this one big time, but besides Templeton, Lezcano was great for SD, and Lezcano eventually turned into Lance McCullers, who turned into Jack Clark. Also, at the end of his career Templeton was traded to the Mets and SD got a couple of good years from Tim Teufel in return. |
Cards get: | Jack Clark |
Cards lost: | Green, LaPoint, Uribe, Gary Rajsich |
Other Team: | San Francisco |
Year: | 1985 |
Net WS: | 54.9 (approx. 18 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 1 |
#Other team’s players | 12 |
Comments: | This one is odd. Uribe actually trumps Clark here, since Clark left St. Louis as a free agent. Plus, the Giants eventually ended up with a couple of good seasons each from Terry Kennedy and Rick Reuschel at the end of their careers. Trouble is, the Giants had to give up Jeff Robinson, Eric King and, importantly, Matt Nokes as throw-ins. |
Cards get: | Frisch, Ring |
Cards lost: | Hornsby |
Other Team: | New York (N) |
Year: | 1926 |
Net WS: | 60.6 (approx. 20 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 6 |
#Other team’s players | 6 |
Comments: | Hornsby had a great season for the Giants and left, but the Giants got Shanty Hogan in return, and he contributed 75 WS over 5 seasons. Frisch, of course, was outstanding. |
Cards get: | Bill White, Jablonski |
Cards lost: | Sam Jones, Choate |
Other Team: | San Francisco |
Year: | 1959 |
Net WS: | 72.1 (approx. 24 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 26 |
#Other team’s players | 2 |
Comments: | Giants got a couple of good seasons from Jones, but turned it into nothing. Cards did well with Bill White, but then made a bunch of nickel and dime moves that cost them more in throw-ins than it gained them |
Cards get: | McGwire |
Cards lost: | Stein, Mathews, Ludwick |
Other Team: | Oakland |
Year: | 1997 |
Net WS: | 77.5 (approx. 26 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 1 (just McGwire) |
#Other team’s players | 7 |
Comments: | Too bad McGwire retired, because the net WS in this trade would have just kept growing. |
Cards get: | Cepeda |
Cards lost: | Sadecki |
Other Team: | San Francisco |
Year: | 1966 |
Net WS: | 156 (approx. 52 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 8 |
#Other team’s players | 5 |
Comments: | You think Cepeda was good? The Cards ended up with Joe Torre too! Meanwhile, neither Sadecki nor his trade progeny produced much for the Giants. |
Cards get: | Flood, Joe Taylor |
Cards lost: | Schmidt, Kutyna,Wieand |
Other Team: | Cincinnati |
Year: | 1957 |
Net WS: | 211.6 (approx. 71 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 2 |
#Other team’s players | 3 |
Comments: | Flood was fantastic. Everyone else was horrible. |
Cards get: | Hendrick |
Cards lost: | Rasmussen |
Other Team: | San Diego |
Year: | 1978 |
Net WS: | 230.6 (approx. 77 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 4 |
#Other team’s players | 1 |
Comments: | Seven good seasons for Hendrick, and then he turned into John Tudor. Rasmussen never produced and SD never got anything for him. |
Cards get: | McGee |
Cards lost: | Sykes |
Other Team: | New York (A) |
Year: | 1981 |
Net WS: | 239.6 (approx. 80 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 5 |
#Other team’s players | 1 |
Comments: | Sykes never pitched again. McGee was the center of the great Cards teams in the 1980s, then he turned into Felix Jose (who was pretty good), and Jose turned into Greg Jefferies (a fantastic hitter). |
Cards get: | Del Greco, Littlefield |
Cards lost: | Virdon |
Other Team: | Pittsburgh |
Year: | 1956 |
Net WS: | 246.8 (approx. 82 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 58 |
#Other team’s players | 1 |
Comments: | This is probably the most shocking of the analyses. Virdon was good for the Pirates, but not a star. Then he retired. Meanwhile the Cards managed to get 58 players in this lineage. Del Greco and Littlefield did absolutely nothing, and along the way the Cards had throw-ins like Jackie Brandt and Red Schoendienst. So how did the Cards come out so far ahead? Two other trades on this list are connected. Littlefield (and others) became Ray Katt, who became Sam Jones, who became Bill White! More importantly, Littlefield (and others) became Ray Katt, who became Hobie Landrith, who became Ernie Broglio, who became Lou Brock. What a segue to the top trade! |
Cards get: | Lou Brock, Spring, Toth |
Cards lost: | Broglio, Shantz, Clemens |
Other Team: | Chicago |
Year: | 1964 |
Net WS: | 310.8 (approx. 104 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 3 |
#Other team’s players | 4 |
Comments: | This one is self-explanatory. |
St. Louis Cardinals Trades (Worst)
Here are the worst trades according to Win Shares, in order of worst to best (from the Cards' perspective). The trades by WS, in order of worst to best (from the Cards' perspective). The categories are self-explanatory, except "# Cards' players" is the number of players eventually connected to the transaction on the Cards side -- with all subsequent trades factored in -- and "# Other teams' players" reflects the same thing for the team with which the Cards made the original trade. You will see that the Cards liked to trade...a lot! And especially when they made a bad deal originally. They frequently grabbed a so-so guy for a year, then either released him, sold him or traded him for a couple more so-so guys.
| Cards get: | Rick Wise |
| Cards lost: | Steve Carlton |
| Other Team: | Philadelphia (N) |
| Year: | 1972 |
| Net WS: | -278.7 (approx 93 wins) |
| #Cards’ players: | 16 |
| #Other team’s players | 1 (just Carlton |
| Comments: | The Cards got a little out of Wise, and some more out of Reggie Smith, but that was offset by the losses of Bernie Carbo and Mike Vail as throw-ins for subsequent trades. In the end, the Cards got no WS and the Phils got 278. |
Cards get: | Dutch Henry, Ogden |
| Cards lost: | Derringer, Sparky Adams, Stout |
| Other Team: | Cincinnati |
| Net WS: | -205.8 (approx 69 wins) |
| Year: | 1933 |
| #Cards’ players: | 7 |
| #Other team’s players | 7 |
| Comments: | Durocher wasn't too bad, but nobody else contributed. Derringer and Sparky Adams were strong for Cincinnati, and Stout was traded for Billy Myers, who contributed more for Cincy than Durocher did for the Cards. |
| Cards get: | Allen, Ownbey |
| Cards lost: | Keith Hernandez |
| Other Team: | New York (N) |
| Year: | 1983 |
| Net WS: | -125.2 (approx. 42 wins) |
| #Cards’ players: | 2 |
| #Other team’s players | 1 |
| Comments: | Allen contributed little and then was sold outright to the Yanks. Ownbey added nothing. You already know about Hernandez. |
| Cards get: | Granger |
| Cards lost: | Hisle, Cumberland |
| Other Team: | Minnesota |
| Year: | 1972 |
| Net WS: | -87.6 (approx. 29 wins) |
| #Cards’ players: | 3 |
| #Other team’s players | 2 |
Comments: | Granger did nothing, and was traded for other players who did nothing. Hisle was good, and this trade would have been worse for the Cards if Hisle had stayed with Minnesota. Instead, he bolted for Milwaukee via free agency. |
Cards get: | Lohrman, O’Dea, McCarthy |
Cards lost: | Mize |
Other Team: | New York (N) |
Year: | 1941 |
Net WS: | -72.9 (approx. 24 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 4 |
#Other team’s players | 1 (just Mize) |
Comments: | Mize was very good for the Giants, but the Yanks purchased him 4 years later. The Cards got a little bit out of O’Dea. This trade is hard to evaluate, because the Cards got $50,000, which bought a couple of decent players back then. But, the Giants probably got a tidy sum when the Yanks bought Mize. |
Cards get: | Sizemore, Stinson |
Cards lost: | Dick Allen |
Other Team: | Los Angeles |
Year: | 1970 |
Net WS: | -64.6 (approx. 22 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 46 |
#Other team’s players | 3 |
Comments: | Allen had one good year for LA, but he was traded for Tommy John, who gave the Dodgers a number of solid years. The family tree on the Cards side is a mess: forty-six players in the lineage of this trade. Sizemore was good, but the Cards kept trading. Ultimately, Jack Clark and Lonnie Smith were in the picture and contributed WS. Even Ozzie Smith (with 275 WS) is connected to this trade. So how do the Cards lose? They kept trading, and kept throwing in new players. Unfortunately, the Cards’ throw-in players included Ted Simmons, Terry Kennedy, Garry Templeton, Aurelio Lopez and Jose Uribe (all of whom earned at least 77 WS before ending their careers). |
Cards get: | McLean, Jack Taylor |
Cards lost: | Three Finger Brown, O’Neill |
Other Team: | Chicago (N) |
Year: | 1903 |
Net WS: | -6.2 (approx. 2 wins) |
#Cards’ players: | 7 |
#Other team’s players | 3 |
Comments: | I thought the Cards would do worse in this trade, but Taylor contributed, then was traded for Beebe who contributed, and Beebe was traded for Rebel Oakes who contributed and Miller Huggins, who really contributed. |
St. Louis Cardinals Trades
In the latest issue of The National Pastime, Lyle Spatz describes candidates for the worst and best trades in St. Louis Cardinals history. I decided to apply Win Shares to the trades, as one way of measuring which deals were best and which were worst. Obviously, the Win Shares for the players involved in the trade were part of the equation. However, I also included Win Shares for any players the "deal players" were subsequently dealt for. Also, when those deal players were subsequently dealt, there were other players sometimes thrown in who went with them. I treated those throw-ins, who otherwise would not have had a connection to the deal (some of whom were quite good), as "opportunity costs," so their future Win Shares were subtracted from the team that traded them away because those were Win Shares the trading team would have had if not for the throw in.
As a brief example, Rick Wise came to the Cards when they traded Steve Carlton to Philadelphia. St. Louis gets Wise's WS in a Cards uniform. Philadelphia gets Carlton's WS in a Phils uniform. Wise was then traded to Boston for Reggie Smith and Ken Tatum. St. Louis gets Smith and Tatum's WS in a Cards uniform. But in that deal Bernie Carbo was sent from the Cards to Boston. Carbo is the "throw in" player otherwise unconnected to the original trade. Since the Cards lost the future value of his services, Carbo's WS after the trade are subtracted from the Cards side of the ledger, because they lost his future services. In some cases, this goes on and on. One note, though: the opportunity cost of trading away players actually connected with the deal -- like Wise, or Reggie Smith after he was traded to the Dodgers -- was not factored in, both for reasons of complexity and because there seemed to be a danger of double-counting...my brain got a little twisted up trying to figure it out.
It goes without saying that other things factor into trades. Clubhouse personality, the availability of someone in the minors to replace the traded player, etc. I'm not saying the method is perfect...it's just the way I chose to do it because I think it is interesting.
I'll break this into two more posts. One for the worst trades, and one for the best (from the Cards perspective).
As a brief example, Rick Wise came to the Cards when they traded Steve Carlton to Philadelphia. St. Louis gets Wise's WS in a Cards uniform. Philadelphia gets Carlton's WS in a Phils uniform. Wise was then traded to Boston for Reggie Smith and Ken Tatum. St. Louis gets Smith and Tatum's WS in a Cards uniform. But in that deal Bernie Carbo was sent from the Cards to Boston. Carbo is the "throw in" player otherwise unconnected to the original trade. Since the Cards lost the future value of his services, Carbo's WS after the trade are subtracted from the Cards side of the ledger, because they lost his future services. In some cases, this goes on and on. One note, though: the opportunity cost of trading away players actually connected with the deal -- like Wise, or Reggie Smith after he was traded to the Dodgers -- was not factored in, both for reasons of complexity and because there seemed to be a danger of double-counting...my brain got a little twisted up trying to figure it out.
It goes without saying that other things factor into trades. Clubhouse personality, the availability of someone in the minors to replace the traded player, etc. I'm not saying the method is perfect...it's just the way I chose to do it because I think it is interesting.
I'll break this into two more posts. One for the worst trades, and one for the best (from the Cards perspective).
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